Special training on 25, November...

[dfdmedic498]

Many of you have already recieved a letter that you had to sign for, for special training. Those of you on the other end of the week will recieve the same letter.

The following units will be getting called in for training: Medic units 3, 4, 6, 8, 10, 16, 17 and 21.

From what I gather, this training will be on the new 1:1 blood replacement study that is about to come out on Polyheme. The class is 4 hours in length and is mandatory for those that work these 8 units.

Again, this from my understanding, will be use for trauma patients ONLY. The units that use this study product MUST transport to either DRH or GNW and MUST advise those hospitals that the product is in use. This study is sponsered by Wayne State University. I am glad that we are being considered for the training on this product and with hope and luck, this could help us pave the way into a better ALS system for all of us.

Eric

[Paramed85]

Many of you have already recieved a letter that you had to sign for, for special training. Those of you on the other end of the week will recieve the same letter.

The following units will be getting called in for training: Medic units 3, 4, 6, 8, 10, 16, 17 and 21.

From what I gather, this training will be on the new 1:1 blood replacement study that is about to come out on Polyheme. The class is 4 hours in length and is mandatory for those that work these 8 units.

Again, this from my understanding, will be use for trauma patients ONLY. The units that use this study product MUST transport to either DRH or GNW and MUST advise those hospitals that the product is in use. This study is sponsered by Wayne State University. I am glad that we are being considered for the training on this product and with hope and luck, this could help us pave the way into a better ALS system for all of us.

Eric

Will they teach me polyheme in my paramedic lectures??? Just curious. Or is there a class that I will have to attend separately from my normal school schedule???

[mike]

It isn’t a med that is carried or common in pre hospital care. I doubt the instructor would have a clue anyways. This is for a short term trial to gather data to get the med approved by the FDA? Then, assuming it is it is up to the Medical director to decide if it becomes a standard in the drug box..

[bigwoody00]

Hey, I think that it would be a better als system if we could just get our supplies....

[DFDMEDIC699]

Thats sweet! I'll have whole blood to give to trauma pt's but no head beds! Maybe Wayne state should do a study on the importance of securing c-spine in poss neck fractures!

[DabbleDuke]

Now are we all going to get this trainning or just the people that work them units?!?!? Cause some people do work O.T. at them units... ?!?!?!?

[bloodn'guts]

Are our Training instructors going to do the training ? :jester:

[dfdmedic498]

This is something that already is FDA approved. The military has been using this successfully for the last 5 years. From my understanding, WSU is funding this study through those 2 hospitals for use in pre-hospital care vs in hospital care. Our department has nothing to do with the funding for this, classes or any other aspect of it other than bringing us in for the class.

For the time being, only those that work on those units I mentioned on both ends of the week will carry this product. If WSU gives all thumbs up to it's use city wide, then everyone else will get the training I'm sure and DEMCA will more than likely institute it's use into our protocols.

We are THE 1st city in the Nation to do any comprehensive study on this product and this could pave the way for other EMS systems in the U.S. to use this product pre-hospital for all of their trauma patients.

85, like Mike stated, it's highly unlikely that any Paramedic I.C. has knowledge of this product and doesn't teach it.

[therbs]

hey I am just glad to see that we are going to get training on something that should be useful......................

[DabbleDuke]

Well we do have the body count for it..

SO if someone is working OT on one of them units and has no training.. then what?!? My guess is, the just don't use it...

[Brewman35]

I am sure this won't happen until shift change. Right?

[DabbleDuke]

yea, that was the other thing I was thinking.. they will train all these people and then shift change comes around and well-a ... no one with the trainning will be working these units.. why don't they just train everyone... damn.


and who is doing the trainning?!? I hope not the guys down in trainning...

[Paramed85]

Good luck to all of you in your training. I wish you the best. I hope you are all doing well and that the recent election isn't burning your corneas out. Anyhow good luck with the training courses I hope it all goes well. Baruch Ha'Shem.

PM85

[bloodn'guts]

Are the techs that are doing this study....going to get extra pay ?

[mike]

I would assume they wouldnt get extra pay.

As far as the study being the first time it has been done it isnt. It has been done out west already I think.

[Paramed85]

Hey mike how many of those Kwame shirts ya' got left???

[dfdmedic498]

As far as pay, I do not know. However, it is WSU that is teaching the class, not training. From my understanding, we would be the first EMS system to use it in a trial.

I am not sure as to when it will be placed on those units, but I will go out on a limb and make the assumption that it would be right away and at shift change they would bring in the appropriate personell to be trained in conjunction with shift change. I am sure this will be a question that will be posed on the 25th.

[anthonyt]

Sounds like a change in working conditions to me.....

[dfdmedic498]

Ya think?...lol Look at it this way....free edumacation.

[bigwoody00]

sweeeettttt... Im going to use it on everyone, and destroy the entire study!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!

[Paramed85]

Oye Vey!

[highfive]

yea, that was the other thing I was thinking.. they will train all these people and then shift change comes around and well-a ... no one with the trainning will be working these units.. why don't they just train everyone... damn. ...


whoa that kind of logical thinking could get you in trouble. Hate to kind you swimming with the fisheeeees for thinking ahead...........

[Paramed85]

I was almost swimming with the pirahnas yesterday for thinking too far ahead. Oops!!! At any rate good luck to ya'.

[s_munro]

this study has been done before in california, texas due to loophole in the law with out concsent in april 2004, to my understanding this product is not FDA approved it is in the final stages. Here are some of the advantges to this
1. Universally compatible no bllod type specific
2. shelf life of 12 months compared to 42 days of normal blood
3.immediatly available no waiting for lab work
4.carries human hemoglobin w/temporary oxygen carrying properties
5.each Polyheme unit has as many "polymerized" hemoglobin units (50) as
compared to a unit of red blood cells
6.will be given thru informed consent
7. has less adverese reactions then whole blood

this is all i know and dr Diebel from detroit receiving hospital in the physician
responible for the study

and as for change of working conditions its not there is a section called validating studies that this would apply to if i am correct but i could be wrong

[Paramed85]

Thanks for the information. I am interested in this study even though I am not a medic or emt yet. I love to read up on new and up and coming things.

[DabbleDuke]

Why don't you come on over to my place and we can read up together.....

[dfdmedic498]

stu is right on with that. I do not believe there actually is anything for change in working conditions with studies either. Thanks for that info stu.

[bigwoody00]

Leave it to the Panda to ask if we get extra pay!!!!!!!!!!! LOL

[Paramed85]

Why don't you come on over to my place and we can read up together.....


Thanks Dabble I am speechless.

[DabbleDuke]

Just tryin to help out an inspiring EMT....

[bigwoody00]

yeah, sure you are!!!! LOL

[Paramed85]

Hey now...Easy boys...six months and I myself will be in Y'ALL's boat...ok bus...maybe not exact bus but a bus and that's all that matters to me.

[DFDMEDIC699]

Hey now...Easy boys...six months and I myself will be in Y'ALL's boat...ok bus...maybe not exact bus but a bus and that's all that matters to me.

Its going to be a little longer than 6 months to compare yourself to us! For one, in case you haven't noticed Detroit is not hiring! We still have brothers and sisters laid off and they need to be called back first, and it will probably be a long time before they start to hire again.

Second, it takes alot more than the class to be a good EMT! There are basics out here that I would put against medics from any other city. The road experience here is second to none. Don't get too far ahead of yourself. I admire your goal of wanting to work here because we all had that goal at one time, but it will be a long time before you can rightly claim you are one of us!

[Paramed85]

Simma down. I was just saying as far as a title behind my name goes not experience wise!!! I will be one of the gang title wise ONLY! Not according to any level of experience! You jumped to a wrong conclusion.

[DFDMEDIC699]

Simma down. I was just saying as far as a title behind my name goes not experience wise!!! I will be one of the gang title wise ONLY! Not according to any level of experience! You jumped to a wrong conclusion.

I'm not jumping to conclusions! I hear you loud and clear, I'm just saying! A title is fine and all but enjoy your classes and don't jump ahead of the game. Take the time to become a good basic and learn the skills you need to know. You cannot be a good medic without mastering the basics.

Even the Dr. who finishes last in his class is given the title of Dr. A title does not an EMT make!

[medic630]

I sit back watch this board for a long time now .I have but one question WHO IS PARMED85 and how is it he or she thinks she know so much about DETROIT EMS. I'v been here for over six years Idon't know every thing that is going on here . just something to think about

[DFDMEDIC699]

I'll tell you straight up paramed that this job is not all you believe it to be. Be careful what you wish for because you will get it here!! You will experience more BS and frustration than you can imagine. You will see more heartache and tragedy, and families and lives ruined than any one person should see. You will get the trauma and GSW and CPR until you wish it would stop. You will become hardened and desensitized to these tragedies. This job is taxing and trying and sometimes unbearable!

There are alot of good things here too! I have met some great people and made some great friends. In my short time here on the road I feel my skills as a medic are second to none! This is the best city in the world to work EMS and I truly feel that! I would never work anywhere else! I truly enjoy what I do for a living!!

I guess my point is that for sometime now we have all tolerated your "one of the guys" attitude and we have allowed it, but rest assured you are about as far away from Detroit EMS as Grosse Pointe is from Detroit, LIGHTYEARS! I am not trying to dog you out, but until you work a shift here please do not compare yourself with us. Take it slow and don't rush into your EMT. There are alot of people that drive ambulances.

[medic630]

that was very well said . walk befor you run or in parmed85 case get the card from the state of michigan befor you have a name like parmed maybe your handle shaould be firstaider not parmedand to DFDMEDIC699my hat is off to you . nail hit right on the head

[Paramed85]

I know that y'all that is why I am going into this field. Somebody's gotta do it. Besides I want to deal with all the trauma, gsw, torn families crap, and so on and so forth. I do not make this job out to be something of a fantasy. Yeah they did the show Paramedics yeah that shit's real but it isn't exactly REAL real until you've been out on the streets dealing the deck yourself for a while. And my handle I did it because it was my future career and not who I am now. It was also in part from the show Paramedics. The 85 is my year of birth. So yes while I appreciate your words I know what I am getting myself into and don't be so concerned with my user handle. Firstaider isn't exactly rhyming with what is at my heart for my career. Don't cross a bridge that you aren't even sure exists. Ask me why my handle is what it is before you go and harass or chastize me for it. Being a paramedic has been my dream from day one of my little baby life so my handle is what my dream has been, also the show, also because like I said don't bring down my dream just because I am not a paramedic yet doesn't mean my handle can't express what I am feeling for my future. I really don't appreciate it.

[medic630]

first of all the show paramedic was and is a joke. I don't care what city thay was in all it showed was now we can mess up an tv,But you have not been in this line of work befor so you don't know that some of the things you seen on tv was wrong but that ok! I begain doing this job when you was about 4 in you where born in 85 I to have maid so mistakes along the way but to base my job on a tv show good luck. You also stated that you would like to deal with the gsw and broken lives that is job is all about. There is only one thing who would like to deal with broken life and gsw BUT A TRAUMA TROOPING WANT A BEE

[bigwoody00]

Besides I want to deal with all the trauma, gsw, torn families crap, and so on and so forth.



Torn Families and so on????? what the F**K ????

[medic630]

you know bigwoody shes more man the the rest of us thank god she seen the show paramedics to base a job on and not (off to war)

[DabbleDuke]

First off, DFDMEDIC699... very well said.


I don't think, Wait, I know she has no Fing clue what she's talking about... anyone that would WANT to deal with the gsw's, cpr's, children tossed out of moving cars cause the so called parents are drunk as hell and so on is out of their mind. Why would anyone WANT to see/deal with that?!?! It sickens me to hear people talk like that and to hear people say they can't wait to get a "GOOD SHOOTING" what the hell is a "good shooting"?!?! Them two words can't go together... WTF! Paramed85, how would you feel if someone shot up your family and some guy was happy to get the run cause it was a "good shooting"


Wussa... must step away from the keyboard cause it's all I can take right now!!!

[Paramed85]

Thank you 360. Most people call me dude anyways. I take that as a compliment. The only thing stopping me from going overseas yeah that would be awesome to do is the fact that I have mild asthma.

[DFDMEDIC699]

I was not trying to come down on you there paramed but you have to understand how we all feel. I too always wanted to be a paramedic and I too only ever wanted to work here, and I realized my goals and dreams and I am happy and proud as hell to be here! The big difference is I have earned the right to post my name as a paramedic. I earned my college degree, went through this academy and earned my spot here on the streets. I pulled my time in the privates and learned to become a good basic emt before I came here! I came here cocky and arrogant and felt that I was pretty invincible until I saw some of the worst shit I ever wanted to see! I got humbled pretty quick! Stick to your guns and make your dreams come true, but slow down a little and wait until you aren't so green to EMS to try to make claims. I have goals to become a teacher someday, but just because I want to be one doesn't make me one.

[bigwoody00]

and please dont ever say that BS on this site again..... Torn families and CRAP!!!!! that just sounds recockulous!!!!!

atleast not like that in the same sentence..

thanks.

[dfdmedic498]

No shooting is good...just ask anyone that has ever been shot. However, the term "Good shooting" is an old DPD term that cites that the shooting is confirmed.

[Paramed85]

All I really know is that I am going to finish my basic and work for a year as a basic then go back for my Paramedic. I am going to stick to that and take the advice from those who know their shit about this field. That would be all of you! I was thinking private company, small city, scs, sterling heights, then detroit. That way I work up to detroit not just go in big or go home kind of thing. Not yet at least. I need some seasoning and preheating before I can pop the timer that says done now go onto the streets of det. I will stick to only what I know and realize that I am going to be at least 30 before I can call myself seasoned. Thanks for giving me the ol' slap upside the head on this one. Oh and as for now...How does fututre EMT sound.

[DabbleDuke]

No shooting is good...just ask anyone that has ever been shot. However, the term "Good shooting" is an old DPD term that cites that the shooting is confirmed.


Yea I know... cause god forbid they ust the term "Your run has been confirmed"


And paramed85, I know people on the job at Detroit that never worked a day as an emt till they came to Detroit and they are better then some emts that have been at Detroit for some time... TIME does NOT make you a good EMT/Paramedic.... It's not about time, Some people just pick up things quicker then others... I know people that have been EMT's forever and STILL don't know what they are doing.... Either way, good luck...

[Paramed85]

Thanks. Yeah I pick up things like a sponge does water. The only thing I am really nervous about is the drugs and dosing. Other than that I think I should be alright. The other thing that I am nervous about is starting an I.V. in a moving vehicle. Done it while grounded but never while moving. Guess it all takes practice.

[DFDEMT24]

I wonder who the female who was at Boric's last week bragging about just getting hired by DFD EMS was? Funny I didn't know EMS was hiring?

[medic630]

parmed85 you just got to stop talking every time you type most people that work here thing ,how can this person get dumer you never worked on this job and all you can say is the only thing you are nervos about is doing IV's in a moveing unit . I have a good idea just stop typing and go a way

[bloodn'guts]

Ok guys FEEL like men ? Picking on a 21y/o FEMALE make you feel better ?
None of you wrote anything about "doc". OOh...wait..HE WAS DISRESPECTING US !
Oops..i get it now. Pick on the young lady for like us and shut up to someone that disrespect us.

[medic630]

I must have missed doc posting I'll check past postings and begin picking on him

[Paramed85]

Well I am off to study vital signs, band-aids, and asprin. That's a good start for my Basic EMT right?

[DFDEMT24]

I can respect the efforts of people who want to get into EMS or work for DFD EMS. But, Some people should keep in mind that they should not put the cart before the horse that or talk as if you have years of experience when you repeat "cool stuff" you heard on Emergency, Third Watch, Paramedics, Etc. I was getting my haircut last week and was asked by the girl that usually cuts my hair. "Is Detroit hiring?" I told her "EMS could still be facing lay offs?" She said a woman came in a few days before to get a haircut because she got a new job. When asked were she said Detroit Fire-EMS. I immediatly thought about some of the mystery people who we have on this site who are really making a name for themselves (Not real positive either) who have no affilation to DFD EMS other then "Groupy Status". I would just remind these people that your reputation follows you and can block a future endevors if people see you as a over giddy yahoo.... Just relax in time you will get your EMT and then Paramedic and there will be plenty of Sickies, Sickos, and Jakes to fill your hearts content.

[Paramed85]

Damn I didn't know these band-aid's could be so complicated.

[DabbleDuke]

Damn I didn't know these band-aid's could be so complicated.


I hope that's a joke... right??!?!

[medic630]

for some a band-aid can be very complicated but like you said in one of your posting .The only complicated thing to you is a IV in a moving rig not bad for a first aid card holder

[Paramed85]

I hope that's a joke... right??!?!


Totally a joke Dabble. I know band-aids like the palm of my hand. I am a diabetic so for "us" ( meaning those with diabetes ) it is our best friend sometimes. I shouldn't worry about iv's yet. I am not even a basic yet. Actually for my basic the one thing that I am definately going to need to practice is doing vitals amidst the noisy rig. That is actually what I am most concerned with. Done vitals as a patient tech on land as well as cpr more times than I can physically count but I am more concerned with vitals en-route since you are moving and things can cause a lot of background noise (ie. the motor in the ambulance) I guess when that bridge comes to be crossed I will be able to breathe a bit. Other than that I am ok. At least I think I am ok. Only time and studying my ass off will tell. Night all.

[Paramed85]

for some a band-aid can be very complicated but like you said in one of your posting .The only complicated thing to you is a IV in a moving rig not bad for a first aid card holder


Well I shouldn't be worried about iv's as a basic. I'll go back to worrying about that when that bridge is needed to be crossed later next year. For now I am skeptical about doing vitals amidst a noisy moving vehicle. But other than that hunkey dorey.

[DFDMEDIC699]

Ok guys FEEL like men ? Picking on a 21y/o FEMALE make you feel better ?
Oops..i get it now. Pick on the young lady for like us and shut up to someone that disrespect us.

I wasn't picking on anyone! In fact, I think I gave some pretty good constructive criticism, slow down, learn the basics first, don't rush in to this career, and don't claim to be something you are not. Thant's all that was said, and if the person cannot take it then they are in big trouble when they start catching hell from the people they will deal with out here! Just because I am not thinking with my Johnson when I make my posts to the "20 year old girl"! If you want there panda I'll get you a pair of pom poms and you can join the cheering section too! Keep your weiner on your side of the border eh!

[dfdmedic498]

[quote=DFDEMT24;6786]I can respect the efforts of people who want to get into EMS or work for DFD EMS. But, Some people should keep in mind that they should not put the cart before the horse that or talk as if you have years of experience when you repeat "cool stuff" you heard on Emergency, Third Watch, Paramedics, Etc. quote]

Emergency? I saw that show when it first aired....I still think Roy and Johnny were gay! LMFAO!!!:jester:

[Paramed85]

Hey I loved Emergency. My friend got me hooked. He taped every episode. Yeah those two were either gay or they were pretty damn convincing.

[therbs]

Hey now, Johnny and Roy were the sh!t……..I am still trying to master the art of popping the caps off medication and send them flying across the room, with the look of (I am going to save this person) on my face………

[krj00]

Any interesting factoids going on?

[Paramed85]

Hey now, Johnny and Roy were the sh!t……..I am still trying to master the art of popping the caps off medication and send them flying across the room, with the look of (I am going to save this person) on my face………


I mastered the art of popping beer bottle caps off on the edges of countertops. Yeah they definately were the shit. I tried numerous times to do the whole med bottle thing but it is a talent for Johnny and Roy to know and me to try for years to figure out.

[DFDMEDIC560]

The key to the opposing arcs is all in the limp wrists

[Paramed85]

Thanks.

[dfdmedic498]

And the limp wristed arc proves it....Roy and Johnny were ass masters! :jester:

[bigwoody00]

All of this talk about Jon-Jon and ROY is making me CRAZY!!!!!

you are a SAUCY BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SNAPS!!!!

[Paramed85]

Nothing personal but ER has gotten REALLY REALLY BAD!!! It was great up until they killed off Dr. Greene. Then it really started to suck. Without the original cast it just isn't the same whatsoever.

[bigwoody00]

I like it... I really wanna BANG the Indian girl... yummmyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Paramed85]

Who doesn't bigwoody!

[Paramed85]

Anyone know of any reason why I shouldn't train with Medstar for my Basic?

[bigwoody00]

you should let me train you.. as in.. runa train on you!!! LOL

[Paramed85]

Gee how considerate of you woody. I can't wait. Or maybe I can. I like my life too much to be hit by a billion tons of rusted lubricated metal. Thanks anyhow.