keep it in the pants...

[mike]

Pays to be happily married



Check this out (http://www.wheelingvillage.com/index.html)

[mike]

Oh, forgot the complaint letter (http://www.wheelingvillage.com/formalletter.htm)....

[anthonyt]

Ok.... so its a he said she said... and what did the fire house dog say.????

[anthonyt]

Yeah so it sounds more like they had an affair, and he said no more... so she got mad and complained.... typical..

[DFDEMT24]

This could happen here...... With guys being blown by stripers/ hookers in the bathroom of an eastside firehouse.

[mike]

It could happen anywhere, I dont know if I would be to hip to point out where to be sure, my memory isnt what it used to be. Where are my depends.....

[dfdmedic498]

Oh....but it HAS happened here....kinda sorta, but in that case, it was 8 men that filed complaints of harrassment against the female. But in no way shape or form did any of the men, and I quote in the words of a famous ex-president "We did NOT have sexual relations with that woman". Needless to say, she's not here anymore.....but she does work for fire oddly enough....oh well...who am I to judge?....lol :butthead:

[Unregistered]

Yeah so it sounds more like they had an affair, and he said no more... so she got mad and complained.... typical..

To clarify, I broke up with Pat Trunda, I was then informed that he has herpes. I was tested and came back positive. I filed a police report and a formal complaint. As I see from your site, your city is just as pathetic as ours.

BTW, the firehouse dog said he was a selfish lousy fuck.

[mike]

As I see from your site, your city is just as pathetic as ours.

I am sorry my site game you the impression that the city of Detroit was pathetic. Either way, I am assuming you got here by checking your logs of who was referred to your site. I posted the link because I thought it was an interesting story

Right now there are 6 people viewing this thread, all guests.

The 4 of you that are replying to this thread/post...

Your posts go into a moderation queue to be read by me or a moderator before it gets posted or deleted.

I have no problems with this being discussed here on this board, I did post a link to it. If you want to discuss this on the this board I only ask that you register so I don’t spend 35 hours reading all of it to see if it gets posted and to keep who's who straight.

Mike

[anthonyt]

To clarify, I broke up with Pat Trunda, I was then informed that he has herpes. I was tested and came back positive. I filed a police report and a formal complaint. As I see from your site, your city is just as pathetic as ours.

BTW, the firehouse dog said he was a selfish lousy fuck.

Well, thats unfortunate.....

Herpes eh? would you have filed a police report if he hadn't had herpes? You screw around and these are the risks.

Pathetic? my dear, this City is far from pathetic, I personally am proud to be a part of it. If you disagree or disprove of my comments, that is your right.

Thank you for clarifying, that you only decided things were wrong after you got an STD... Guess that's where the saying always use a condom comes from. Let me guess, you think its ok to steal as long as you don't get caught too??

If you want to attack me, personally, because of my comments, or opinions, please feel free, everyone else does. But to judge Detroit a pathetic city based solely on the comments and opinions of a few shows me just how pathetic people can be. We all have our own values, convictions, and opinions. We all make decisions, every day, and we all live with the consequences.

YOU chose to have sexual relations with the man, and at the fire station, too, from my understanding.... You saw nothing wrong with that? But played with fire, and now want to cry foul because you got burned. Really, what exactly is pathetic now, what?

[dfdmedic498]

Well, if this chick wasn't such a ho and hadn't went after a married man, I guess she wouldn't be geting scripts for Valtrex now would she? Now what? no more sex with men for you? (Unless they are into herpes.) All I can say is that when you play, eventully you will pay. Grow up and get a life and a clue woman. Amen to those that support our department. Yes, this shit can and does go on in some fire houses. Yes, eventually they get caught. But to take someone out of action because you were turned down or jaded after god know's how long you were screwing a maried man is your problem. Deal with it!!! :butthead:

[mike]

The original page is now gone but if I remember correctly her whole problem was that they guy supposedly knew he had an STD and didn't tell her or warn her, etc over the course of their "relationship".

I would be pissed also but then I don’t cheat on my wife. If I need it that bad I just surf porn… hence high speed internet......:3some:

[anthonyt]

Well, if he knew or not, so what... She was screwing a married man...

Isn't it possible that he contracted it from her?
Or even consider this.... The guy she was screwing was married and therefore capable of lying to someone... And if he was capable of lying to one person, why not another....

I heard this somewhere, not sure where...

"When we were children, we had impulses. When we bacame adults, we learned to control them."

GROW UP LADY! You and he are adults, and understood that what you were doing was potentially taboo... accept the consequences, take your Valtrex, and move on with your life... If you didn't want this to happen you should have planned ahead... Maybe tried dating unmarried men, using condoms...

Oh what the hell am I thinking, it's not your fault, it's his and his alone, you are the victem here, the world is out to get you. You are a pure snow flake, floating through the winter air at the mercy of everything you encounter... How dare anyone not see that....

dumbass!

[Unregistered]

I wrote Ms. Miller a letter (I am the devoted firefighter's wife) and she conveniently posted just a portion to suit herself. Unfortunately, I didn't save a copy (oops). However, I want to clarify a few things here...

1. my husband has never and will never be a cheater. Just because picked the wrong guy doesn't mean we all have that bad of judgement. And yes, I do know for sure, so she doesn't need to try to argue that point with me.

2. I stated that she CLEARLY crossed the line because she had the nerve to bring Fran's name into this matter, and then proceed to disgrace his name. Fran was a fellow brother who passed away about 5 years ago of cancer. He was 43 years old. His family (including his firefighter family) were devastated (and still are). I informed Ms. Miller that she obviously wasn't just "mentally disabled" (her words), but just plain evil, to bring Fran into all of this when she probably never even knew him. His family doesn't need to suffer any more than they already have.

3. I stated this point time and again...she needs to accept responsibility for her role in this matter. She made poor choices, now she has to live with the consequences. If she was allergic to condoms, she should have had him tested before she had unprotected sex. Better yet, she shouldn't have slept with a married man. Furthermore, she didn't seem to have a problem having "relations" at the firehouse before, now she has an issue with it. Seems to me that she probably "dumped" Pat because he wouldn't leave his wife.

4. What will she gain by pursuing this? Destroying Pat's innocent family??? What good does that do? Again, she is just plain evil. Maybe her family should be broken up too because she is just as guilty.

As an aside, to the resident of the Village of Wheeling, before you voice your opinion on whether or not paramedics with Herpes, AIDS, etc. should be coming to your house, keep in mind how some of them got it. There are paramedics across the country who suffer from communicable diseases because they were infected by the patients they were saving. If you want to have the right to chose whether or not they treat you, then they should have the right to decide who they treat. My husband (and all firefighters) risk their lives on a daily basis for people they have never met, and worse yet, for their property. How quickly we forget our heros.

And finally, my last point to Ms. Miller, yes, I put my husband up on a pedestal - he deserves to be there. You can ask anyone who knows him. Just because Pat did what he did doesn't mean all men are like that. And as far as your statement regarding the fact that "being married doesn't make (me) a woman" you are absolutely correct...I never said anything like that. What makes me a woman is having enough self confidence and pride in myself that I respect the boundaries of marriage, both mine and others.

Thanks, guys, for posting this!

[Patricia]

As a female, a longtime resident of Wheeling, and a friend of the male half of this discussion..I would like to add my two cents at this point. I have known the man involved in this dispute longer than I have had fingers and toes. He is a good man that has makes some mistakes, as we all have along our journey...He does not deserve all this attention, and the more it is discussed the more we all fuel the fire. The woman involved in this had to have an idea of what the big picture was...He was married..she apparently didnt like the outcome and has decided to get back at him..I think all of this has done enough damage..to his family, his reputation, and the village involved. I understand he did what he did with full knowledge of the possible consequences, but so do hundreds of thousands of other people in all walks of life. So why dont we all just leave this alone and let it die down. Maybe these people could then try to start picking up the pieces of their lives, especially his wife and children...If not the female involved will just keep all this silliness going. Don't we have more important things to discuss???

[MAGOOMEDIC]

:pukeleft: Hell yes BROTHER tell it like it is........


Man the truth hurts... Don't it?

[Unregistered]

As I read the unofficial wheeling website and all the postings from Ms. Miller (if thats her real name) on your site I found one thing missing. An admission of guilt or some form of accepting responsibility from Ms. Miller. Did she think Pat was single for the entire time? No. If he is wrong for having an affair, isn't Ms. Miller just as wrong for having an affair with a married man? Did he kidnap her for sex at the firehouse or did she get there willingly?

If his family should suffer why not hers? What an example for her to set for her child or children, to be a woman who sleeps with a married man and on top of it, accepts no responsiblity for her actions.

Ms. Miller you have just as much responsibility in this as Pat does so don't play the victim. The victims are the children of the adults in this situation who couldn't control your hormones!!

This is for the Wheeling resident that doesn't want firefighters with AIDS, herpes, etc. coming to her house. When a relative is dying of a heart attack or your house is on fire, you will just be glad someone shows up to help. You see, that's the difference between firefighters and civilians: we don't care who calls or where we are sent. We just go. We don't discriminate, we treat everyone the same. You see, we do get patients with life threatening diseases and we tend to them as we would any other patient. After all, if we mistreated one of your relatives for any reason I am sure you would be very upset, and rightfully so.

With regards to not wanting Pat in particular to come to your house or your friends houses, I'm sure he won't kiss or have sex with you if he does have to respond to a call there, so don't worry about getting Herpes from him. I guess ultimately, if you're so worried, don't call the fire department. Dying is much more preferable, wouldn't you say? I mean really. Civilians wonder how can we do the job. You see its not a job to us, its a calling and people will just never understand that. We'll be there to save your life no matter the impact on ours.

[anthonyt]

We'll be there to save your life no matter the impact on ours.



Doesn't that just say it all... ( I can hear America the Beautiful in the background, can't you?)


I have one more question.... Where is Wheeling??

Oh one more point... in michigan you have the right to refuse... so if someone comes to help your dying family member, have a little interview before they begin lifesaving procedures, you know, sit em down, offer a coffee, and ask some really good questions.... when you are done, if you don't like them, sign the refusal and send them on their way, otherwise, by this time hopefully there is still someone to save, and not just a body to recover, let them get started... Oh and make sure you tell us what kinds of cooties you have before we come into your house, wouldn't want to take any chances... You know, cuz I have kids.

A calling it is... has to be, no one would do this if it wasn't.

[Blackman]

A calling? Oh yeah sure it's a calling. They are calling us names, calling in to question our reputation, calling us on the carpet for any mistakes we make big, small, public or private, calling us for taxi rides. Yep it's a calling all right. :jester:

[Patricia]

wheeling is a town of about 34000 people located west and a little north of chicago about 30 miles...I think all you guys are great to do what you do...and I understand the calling thing as I am in public service myself. It's a damn shame people are so naive. They have no idea how to look at the big picture, they are so involved in their tiny little worlds...Just know that there are people out there that appreciate all of you...fire, police, paramedic. Without you..where would we all be?

[Blackman]

Hey what about us lowly EMT's? I know, I know, just shut up and drive. :jester:

[dfdmedic498]

What a joke, this chick needs to get over herslf and move on...I don't even need to say anything else about this because it's redundant...sorta like a really bad case of roids. Fear not bro....paramedics used to be lowly basics too at one time.....some just tend to forget that more than others! :butthead:

[MAGOOMEDIC]

This is soooooo true....


Some people just cant get past them selves, and that sucks cuz we are all on the same TEAM......... no matter what department you work for



-D

[mike]

A good basic is way better than a shitty paramedic.

[Unregistered]

Just a clarification, I don't think Patricia was forgeting the EMTs. In Wheeling and most of the paid departments in Illinois we staff the ambulances with paramedics. The private ambulances can staff BLS rigs with EMTs.

Every paramedic was there at one time and knows that being an EMT can be the crappiest job at times. Remember, screw up one recert and your back working with the EMTs you thought you were better than.

[Blackman]

True dat! :jester:

[Patricia]

Just a clarification, I don't think Patricia was forgeting the EMTs. In Wheeling and most of the paid departments in Illinois we staff the ambulances with paramedics. The private ambulances can staff BLS rigs with EMTs.

Every paramedic was there at one time and knows that being an EMT can be the crappiest job at times. Remember, screw up one recert and your back working with the EMTs you thought you were better than.
you are right and i am sorry...I meant to leave no one out...thanks

[Blackman]

I was just makin' a joke. :glasses5:

[Unregistered]

Ms.Miller (if that is her name) Needs to accept responsibility for her role in this matter. She made poor choices, now she has to live with the consequences. OOPS BOO FREAKING HOO TOOTS!!! YOU PLAY YOU PAY!!
She (Ms. Miller) and the resident that doesnt want anyone with herpes coming to their house is proof positive that the Gene pool is getting More shallow!!!!!!!!!

[Blackman]

And needs to be cleaned badly. Where is pool boy when you need him? :jester:

[dfdmedic498]

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!! :butthead:

[Unregistered]

what people need to realize this is Ms. Millers last hope in trying to defame this person and his family. When she talks about him taking strippers to their gig. one doesn't know that she was the one who got them to do that in the first place. Also Ms. Miller sued him in civil court for $900 dollars fro some stuff and lost. Ms. Miller needs to realize that it takes two to tango and she is at fault as well.

[MAGOOMEDIC]

What is that????:thin:

[gonzo]

For anyone interested I had t-shirts made up that give your std status. So you can just find someone with a matching t-shirt (ie: hiv+ you find another hiv+, no problems you guys are good to go.) I currently have an overstock of hpv+ shirts, I will let go for $15.00 all other shirts $19.95. If you have more then 1 std tell me in your order we do costume jobs $24.95. Thankyou for your buisness.

[dfdmedic498]

Was herpe's the door prize? :butthead:

[bigwoody00]

This sounds like the famous Kelly V.

[mike]

For anyone interested I had t-shirts made up that give your std status

I could actually see you doing this, go figure....

[Ms. Miller]

I will address some of the letters here, some aren't worth the time.

"what people need to realize this is Ms. Millers last hope in trying to defame this person and his family"

Slander / Libel would be a false statement, none of what I have said is false.

"Also Ms. Miller sued him in civil court for $900 dollars fro some stuff and lost"

Please get your facts straight as I told you before. I did not lose, I did not receive the whole amount. (I'd hate to sue you for slander) This web site is not about the small claims case, seems that you are not understanding what this is about, a Village employee that should be fired. If Pat was any kind of gentleman he would have returned the items or done the work, but he didn't so I had to take him to court. If you can't figure this out yet read the large print: PAT IS BRINGING THIS ALL ON HIMSELF BY LYING. If he didn't lie I wouldn't be fighting with the village, nor bringing others into this. Aren't you glad to know you have a dear friend who is by your side that lies, cheats and spreads herpes around?

"Needs to accept responsibility for her role in this matter. She made poor choices, now she has to live with the consequences. OOPS BOO FREAKING HOO TOOTS!!! YOU PLAY YOU PAY!!"

Yes, I made a very poor choice. I tend to want to believe what people say to me, especially someone I have known for many years. Pat promised he did not have any STD's, and yes, I am going to have to live with that. As to "you play you pay", I'm paying with the herpes and Pat should be fired, and hopefully in time he will be. Let me remind you all. I'm not married, Pat is, Pat cheated, I didn't. Pat lied, I didn't. I believed him that he didn't love his wife and all the other lies he said. Like I said I want to think people are honest out there.

"And needs to be cleaned badly. Where is pool boy when you need him?"

Pat is the one not informing his partner's that he has herpes.

"Well, if this chick wasn't such a ho and hadn't went after a married man, I guess she wouldn't be geting scripts for Valtrex now would she? Now what? no more sex with men for you? (Unless they are into herpes.) All I can say is that when you play, eventully you will pay. Grow up and get a life and a clue woman. Amen to those that support our department. Yes, this shit can and does go on in some fire houses. Yes, eventually they get caught. But to take someone out of action because you were turned down or jaded after god know's how long you were screwing a maried man is your problem. Deal with it!!! "

What grade did you drop out of? Anyway, for your information, Pat chased after me, it was months before we got together. As to dealing with it, I am. I did warn Pat before we started seeing each other, that if he lied, I would call his wife. His response, Go ahead, I don't care. Wonder if he still feels that way now. I broke up with Pat. This isn't about why I chose to break up with him, nor am I posting emails his wife sent me. This is about a man taking responsibility for his actions and telling the truth and the village handling this properly.

[Ms. Miller]

"Or even consider this.... The guy she was screwing was married and therefore capable of lying to someone... And if he was capable of lying to one person, why not another.... "

Your right, once a cheater always a cheater, I was a fool.

"GROW UP LADY! You and he are adults, and understood that what you were doing was potentially taboo... accept the consequences, take your Valtrex, and move on with your life... If you didn't want this to happen you should have planned ahead... Maybe tried dating unmarried men, using condoms...

Oh what the hell am I thinking, it's not your fault, it's his and his alone, you are the victem here, the world is out to get you. You are a pure snow flake, floating through the winter air at the mercy of everything you encounter... How dare anyone not see that...."

If you read my site wheelingvillage.com you would understand that I am allergic to latex and Pat swore he was clean, but we have been through this already. Yes, it is Pat's fault, he lied about his relationship with his wife, he lied about the herpes, I'm still trying to find a truth that man ever said.

"I wrote Ms. Miller a letter (I am the devoted firefighter's wife) and she conveniently posted just a portion to suit herself. Unfortunately, I didn't save a copy (oops). However, I want to clarify a few things here...

1. my husband has never and will never be a cheater. Just because picked the wrong guy doesn't mean we all have that bad of judgement. And yes, I do know for sure, so she doesn't need to try to argue that point with me. "

2. I stated that she CLEARLY crossed the line because she had the nerve to bring Fran's name into this matter, and then proceed to disgrace his name. Fran was a fellow brother who passed away about 5 years ago of cancer. He was 43 years old. His family (including his firefighter family) were devastated (and still are). I informed Ms. Miller that she obviously wasn't just "mentally disabled" (her words), but just plain evil, to bring Fran into all of this when she probably never even knew him. His family doesn't need to suffer any more than they already have.

If Pat told the truth or the village handled this properly, I would not be bring others into it. Yes, I did know Fran and I also believe Fran would have told Pat off. Fran was the only decent fireman I knew on the Wheeling fire department. How about telling Pat to tell the truth.

3. I stated this point time and again...she needs to accept responsibility for her role in this matter. She made poor choices, now she has to live with the consequences. If she was allergic to condoms, she should have had him tested before she had unprotected sex. Better yet, she shouldn't have slept with a married man. Furthermore, she didn't seem to have a problem having "relations" at the firehouse before, now she has an issue with it. Seems to me that she probably "dumped" Pat because he wouldn't leave his wife.

I dumped Pat for a few reasons, mostly because I found him to be emotionally abusive towards my child and his girls and myself, and I will not tolerate that. There were other reasons too, but does it really matter? Yes, it was a poor choice not to have him tested. I knew Pat for approximately 19 years and really thought I could believe what he said is true. If you can't figure this out I'll say it again, Pat chased me, Pat lied to me, Pat was married, not me, do I feel remorse, No. Stupid, yes. What responsibility should I have? He lied to me. It wasn't like a stranger at a bar, I thought I knew him, but I guess you really never know someone do you.

4. What will she gain by pursuing this? Destroying Pat's innocent family??? What good does that do? Again, she is just plain evil. Maybe her family should be broken up too because she is just as guilty.


Pat and the village are the ones destroying his family. I have been holding off on the press and picketing, because I know as soon as I do, his children will know. I have tried to give him every chance to come forward, but he'd rather have me take down the village and have his mother and children find out what he's been doing. He always said he's a cheap ass, to bad money comes before his loved ones. Let me point out Pat never told me he had herpes, never offered to pay the medical bills, never returned anything I gave him and what I also gave him in exchange for work (For you information, I also gave him things for his kids) He never said I'm sorry. All I want is my complaint to be handled properly and it would also be nice if Pat told the truth. But Pat doesn't seem to mind Fran's name being pulled into this or his children finding out. As someone said before that knows Pat, the guys a prick, I have to agree with them. I was willing before to try to settle this. But Pat nor his attorney called me, So forward I go.

As an aside, to the resident of the Village of Wheeling, before you voice your opinion on whether or not paramedics with Herpes, AIDS, etc. should be coming to your house, keep in mind how some of them got it. There are paramedics across the country who suffer from communicable diseases because they were infected by the patients they were saving. If you want to have the right to chose whether or not they treat you, then they should have the right to decide who they treat. My husband (and all firefighters) risk their lives on a daily basis for people they have never met, and worse yet, for their property. How quickly we forget our heros.

And finally, my last point to Ms. Miller, yes, I put my husband up on a pedestal - he deserves to be there. You can ask anyone who knows him. Just because Pat did what he did doesn't mean all men are like that. And as far as your statement regarding the fact that "being married doesn't make (me) a woman" you are absolutely correct...I never said anything like that. What makes me a woman is having enough self confidence and pride in myself that I respect the boundaries of marriage, both mine and others."

I can't ask anyone who knows him, because I don't know who you are.

I am pasting the paragraph here of the letter that you are referring to. I will email a copy of the whole letter you sent me so you have a copy to refer to.

As someone who knows Pat Trunda, his family, and the Village of Wheeling
Fire Department far better than you ever have (though I didn't sleep with
him - some people know the boundaries of marriage), I have been watching
with interest (and disgust) what you have been posting on your website. I
hesitated to e-mail you because I didn't want to feed your frenzy, but your
last postings have CLEARLY crossed the line. To clarify so you don't have
to guess, I am the proud wife of a Village of Wheeling Firefighter. To
answer your question about whether we wives know what our husbands are
doing, I can say from personal experience, yes, I know what my husband is
and has been doing. I'm sure some wives don't, but that isn't my business,
nor is it yours.

If I misunderstood your letter, I am sorry. As you can see from the above how I thought that. It sounded like he was cheating on you. I stand corrected.


As a female, a longtime resident of Wheeling, and a friend of the male half of this discussion..I would like to add my two cents at this point. I have known the man involved in this dispute longer than I have had fingers and toes. He is a good man that has makes some mistakes, as we all have along our journey...He does not deserve all this attention, and the more it is discussed the more we all fuel the fire. The woman involved in this had to have an idea of what the big picture was...He was married..she apparently didnt like the outcome and has decided to get back at him..I think all of this has done enough damage..to his family, his reputation, and the village involved. I understand he did what he did with full knowledge of the possible consequences, but so do hundreds of thousands of other people in all walks of life. So why dont we all just leave this alone and let it die down. Maybe these people could then try to start picking up the pieces of their lives, especially his wife and children...If not the female involved will just keep all this silliness going. Don't we have more important things to discuss???

Ms. Fountaine, Maybe if someone tells the truth, they can set a good example for their children. I can't stress this enough, that unfortunately, this is going to get to his children. Someone at the school will hear it in the news or from a friend and the children will see the site. Do you really want your children to see it? I am holding off as long as I can, but the clock is ready to strike. If Pat does not want to come forward with the truth, he might want to move the kids out of state. This isn't a threat. I would have gone public a long time ago, except I am trying to protect them. I am also not going to stop because of his kids. I've given him every chance to come forward, it's his choice. But then again, I found him to be emotionally abusive, so my guess is he couldn't care less in telling the truth.

Oh, have I mentioned I am applying for a float permit?

[Ms. Miller]

As I read the unofficial wheeling website and all the postings from Ms. Miller (if thats her real name) on your site I found one thing missing. An admission of guilt or some form of accepting responsibility from Ms. Miller. Did she think Pat was single for the entire time? No. If he is wrong for having an affair, isn't Ms. Miller just as wrong for having an affair with a married man? Did he kidnap her for sex at the firehouse or did she get there willingly?

If his family should suffer why not hers? What an example for her to set for her child or children, to be a woman who sleeps with a married man and on top of it, accepts no responsiblity for her actions.

What responsibility do you want me to take?

Ms. Miller you have just as much responsibility in this as Pat does so don't play the victim. The victims are the children of the adults in this situation who couldn't control your hormones!!


LOL, controlling my hormones, Pat chased after me, Pat lied, Pat gave me herpes, Pat is lying to the village. (Remember I'm not the only one he screwed with, who knows how many people he gave herpes to. Are you aware of the effects to an unborn child?)
Yes, I'll play the victim, I paid my dues listening to his lies. Unfortunately, the children are going to be victims to his lies too. Maybe if the village handled this better.....


This is for the Wheeling resident that doesn't want firefighters with AIDS, herpes, etc. coming to her house. When a relative is dying of a heart attack or your house is on fire, you will just be glad someone shows up to help. You see, that's the difference between firefighters and civilians: we don't care who calls or where we are sent. We just go. We don't discriminate, we treat everyone the same. You see, we do get patients with life threatening diseases and we tend to them as we would any other patient. After all, if we mistreated one of your relatives for any reason I am sure you would be very upset, and rightfully so.

With regards to not wanting Pat in particular to come to your house or your friends houses, I'm sure he won't kiss or have sex with you if he does have to respond to a call there, so don't worry about getting Herpes from him. I guess ultimately, if you're so worried, don't call the fire department. Dying is much more preferable, wouldn't you say? I mean really. Civilians wonder how can we do the job. You see its not a job to us, its a calling and people will just never understand that. We'll be there to save your life no matter the impact on ours."

I can't answer for someone else. I think she has some valid questions. I'm sure these are going to be some of the type questions the public is going to be asking. I'm glad to see your sympathetic to a person who is concerned. Maybe if you wrote her explaining about herpes and how it can be transmitted, would have been a better approach. But then again, why would a paramedic or emt know about herpes?

[mike]

A couple of things....

1. If you want to have the right to chose whether or not they treat you, then they should have the right to decide who they treat.

A patient does have the right to refuse treatment.

2. I read most of what you just posted and honestly got lost a couple of times trying to figure out who said what. This button http://www.dfdems.com/images/picsforposts/quote.gifis for Quote's. Hit it and type what you want in between the ] [ part. I would fix it for you but I don’t have a clue who was who in some of it.

3. What grade did you drop out of?

my 3rd year as a freshman......

4. If you want to fix the post let me know, cut and paste it and email it to me and I will change it or register and I will assign them to you so you can edit it.

[anthonyt]

And I thought that I was the only one who jumped on the soapbox and stayed for a week.


whoa!

What responsibility do you want me to take?


Personally what responsibility you should take doesn't affect me, however, I believe that a person who knowingly engages in any kind of romantic behavior with a married individual, is as guilty as the married individual. That is my opinion. That being said, it certainly appears as if you genuinly have no clue, that without you having decided to give into his advances, this would not be an issue....

I am sorry that you are allergic to latex. Aren't there alternatives??? Silicone, anything? I don't know, I don't have that problem. But it boils down to this sex without a partner is masterbation, sex with a married man is adultry.

I will admit that IF he did in fact lie to you that it was wrong, but I don't know if he did lie, all I see is someone vindictively persuing a defamation and slander campaign toward someone. If you were hurt or injured by something, persue it in court, if you are unable to gain satisfaction, appeal, otherwise, leave his kids out of it. Whether he was chasing you or not, you were a willing participant, you erred in judgement, you have admitted as much. Accept that your life is now different becuase of it, fight the battle in court, be the bigger person and stop trying to exact revenge... If you are entitled to it, seek retrobution, but remember that there is a fine line between retrobution and revenge, and that revenge is a self destructing exercise. Your hate will eat at you far more than it will ever hurt him. Bad things happened, you apparantly had a role to play in them. If you are emotionally bruised and battered by these events, then perhaps you might consider seeking counsiling.

[dfdmedic498]

Yep, sounds like the infamous K.V....lol As far as this woman goes, she IS equally responsible. She gave in to him, so she IS just as guilty as he is. Why is she suing? More than likely to make her own guilt in this go away and to take it all out on him.

I've got news for this woman, she's sadly mistaken that we are drop outs. There are a great deal of college grads that log onto this site and are highly intelligent people here. Now who is calling the kettle black? Grow up, move on and get a life!

[bloodn'guts]

Who's calling the kettle black ? Who needs to grow up ? and get a life ?

dfdmedic498.

Do you even remember any of your threads ? or do you suffer from A.D.D.

The apple does not fall far from the tree !

[MAGOOMEDIC]

Ok, so let's get this correct, you became involved with a married man and you willingly had sex with him ????

But now things didn't go the way you wanted them to, you contracted a STD and you felt that you were lied to?

Well lets see I think that you are as guilty as he is in that you knew that he was a married man.
And as far as the STD goes if you had to ask the man if he was clean, that should have set off all kinds of warning lights one would think...

If you have an allergy to latex why did'nt you use some of the latex free condoms (sheepskin) they only cost a small amount more. But no you were so cought up in the moment that you did the deed and threw caution to the wind.

Now you have an STD and you feel that you need to make everyone you can PAY for it......

My real question is why are you tyring to get this man fired from his job, if take out all of the fluff and the he said she said it still comes down to two consenting ADULT'S had sex...

The law provieds for the privacy of all people who have diseases including STD's. It states that a person with a communicable disease will not have to disclose that information unless during the corse fo their job they would pass it to others. I fail to see how an Fireman or EMS worker would have the occasion to pass this type of illness on to others during their normal job duties.

If this man lied about everything he ever said to you or not that is between you and him ONLY not his employer and not the public, the only thing you are going to accomplish is make our industry and your selves LOOK VERY BAD.

You would have been better served by just going and talking with a counclior or going to therapy.....


No matter what you say you are still wrong for what you did with him, and he is wrong for the same. But you need to move on seek treatment for your illness and stop being so bitter.

This is life we all have to live with our choices..

" what does'nt kill us makes us stronger"

[dfdmedic498]

????????????

[Ms. Miller]

My real question is why are you tyring to get this man fired from his job, if take out all of the fluff and the he said she said it still comes down to two consenting ADULT'S had sex...

The law provieds for the privacy of all people who have diseases including STD's. It states that a person with a communicable disease will not have to disclose that information unless during the corse fo their job they would pass it to others. I fail to see how an Fireman or EMS worker would have the occasion to pass this type of illness on to others during their normal job duties.

Guess having sex at the station isn't a normal job duty for most, but he did have sex at the station, on duty as a village employee and did not inform his partner he has herpes.
I'll be damned if my taxes are going to help pay his salary.

[anthonyt]

I'm sorry, didn't you have sex in the station too? A public building, and thus guilty of public indecency? Hmm, oh and he doesn't have to tell you what he doesn't want to tell you... herpes won't kill you. Inconvenience maybe, but not kill...


Face it, you f*cked up.

Oh and I have 6 years of higher education in my resume, in the areas of Criminal Justice, Fire Science, EMS, and Occupational Health and Safety.

What he did can be construed as improprer. What you did can be construed as improper...

Incedently, adultry is illegal, as it is a violation of a contract. Now you did not enter a contract with his wife, but you knowing became an instrument by which he violated the contract, and in doing so became an accesory to the crime of violating the marital contract. Whether he loved her or not has no bearing on that. Whether you knew he was married prior to having had any intimate relations with him did. You have admitted as much. You therefore are not a victem of fraud. As you where completely aware, of his contractual obligation to his wife. The only things that release that obligation are death and divorce...

YOU and HIM are both guilty of indiscretions, violating the marital contract, public indecency, public ludeness, indecent exposure, and he is guilty of violating a trust with his employer, if all of what you say is true.

His violation of trust with his employer is between him and the boss. NOT YOU.

For the rest of the deal, you are both guilty, and owe the people of your communuty an apology for tarnishing the good name of the city, and the department. At least in my opinion.

As far as the STD goes... A reasonable person could be said to believe that any unprotected sex runs the risk of exposure to an STD.

You contend, or at least have, that you are mentally handicapped or impaired. If you do not have a court appointed guardian, then you are competant enough to make decisions that will affect your life... Did you, I wonder, tell Pat about your alleged impairment? I mean before you had sex with him? Or does that not matter?

[Ms. Miller]

"I'm sorry, didn't you have sex in the station too? A public building, and thus guilty of public indecency? Hmm, oh and he doesn't have to tell you what he doesn't want to tell you... herpes won't kill you. Inconvenience maybe, but not kill...

Face it, you f*cked up.

Oh and I have 6 years of higher education in my resume, in the areas of Criminal Justice, Fire Science, EMS, and Occupational Health and Safety.

What he did can be construed as improprer. What you did can be construed as improper...

Incedently, adultry is illegal, as it is a violation of a contract. Now you did not enter a contract with his wife, but you knowing became an instrument by which he violated the contract, and in doing so became an accesory to the crime of violating the marital contract. Whether he loved her or not has no bearing on that. Whether you knew he was married prior to having had any intimate relations with him did. You have admitted as much. You therefore are not a victem of fraud. As you where completely aware, of his contractual obligation to his wife. The only things that release that obligation are death and divorce... "

"YOU and HIM are both guilty of indiscretions, violating the marital contract, public indecency, public ludeness, indecent exposure, and he is guilty of violating a trust with his employer, if all of what you say is true.

His violation of trust with his employer is between him and the boss. NOT YOU."

For the rest of the deal, you are both guilty, and owe the people of your communuty an apology for tarnishing the good name of the city, and the department. At least in my opinion."

As far as the STD goes... A reasonable person could be said to believe that any unprotected sex runs the risk of exposure to an STD.

You contend, or at least have, that you are mentally handicapped or impaired. If you do not have a court appointed guardian, then you are competant enough to make decisions that will affect your life... Did you, I wonder, tell Pat about your alleged impairment? I mean before you had sex with him? Or does that not matter?"

Let me know when you get your law degree. People with a little knowledge can be rather dangerous.

Actually, he is a village employee where I live, so since you are so educated, figure it out from there.

Pat was fully aware, or should have been about my "alleged impairment", we are talking about a guy who thinks you can't pass herpes on to someone else. Don't forget about Pat exposing his penis in the parking lot at the fire station and in the car. Guess the Village would finally have to take action against Pat to come after me. Funny how everyone is sticking up for Pat here, maybe because it's a board for emt's and firemen. Totally different responses on other boards.

As for herpes, please do your research. It affects people differently and FYI herpes can kill.

http://www.medicinenet.com/genital_herpes_in_women/article.htm

As to Pat needing to inform his partners about having herpes, go back to your school books and double check on that.

We will see how church goers respond. Will be picketing outside the church this Sunday.

[bloodn'guts]

dfdmedic498 this is about you.

????????????

dfdmedic498 How can you tell someone to grow up, when you need too.

dfdmedic498 You need to get a life !!!! with your immature, sh$t stain pointless posts !!!

[MAGOOMEDIC]

I am not sure how well educated this lady is but she likes to make reference as how uneducated folks are.


I think as a whole the EMS and Fire services are a vary motivated and intelligent group of people....

To get in line with Anthony, I currently hold an Associates in EMS management, and a Bachelors degree in public health administration.

I do not think you will find one uneducated person in our city no matter what your classification of education is......


-D

[dfdmedic498]

Wow....a pissing match. I guess I am defeated. I am so disappointed in myself. NOT! You talk about maturity, look at YOUR post. Thank you and have a nice day! :)

[spitz]

Damn bitch get a fucking life, and shut the fuck up! Go get your script for Valtrex take it, and find another swinging dick to fuck. If you want something new go eat a cunt. Stay out of Detroit we have enough shit to deal with here.

[MAGOOMEDIC]

NICE, very NICE.........:evil5:

[Unregistered]

Damn bitch get a fucking life, and shut the fuck up! Go get your script for Valtrex take it, and find another swinging dick to fuck. If you want something new go eat a cunt. Stay out of Detroit we have enough shit to deal with here.

Wonder if the Detroit news would be intrested in seeing the city's hard working emt's site?

I've been to Detroit once, and I would never go back.

[anthonyt]

Let me know when you get your law degree. People with a little knowledge can be rather dangerous.

Don't need a law degree to know when something is illegal... It's amazing how many Police Officers practice their professions without their Juris Doctorate. How do they ever know who should be arrested, and charged with a crime...



Actually, he is a village employee where I live, so since you are so educated, figure it out from there.


Whats the equation? ... His boss is the Chief of the Department, not you.



Pat was fully aware, or should have been about my "alleged impairment", we are talking about a guy who thinks you can't pass herpes on to someone else. Don't forget about Pat exposing his penis in the parking lot at the fire station and in the car. Guess the Village would finally have to take action against Pat to come after me. Funny how everyone is sticking up for Pat here, maybe because it's a board for emt's and firemen. Totally different responses on other boards.


Or should have been? So you didn't tell him?

As far as explosing himself, re-read my post, especially the parts that indicate the guilt is split between the both of you... As far as I have read, the folks here have maintained that the BOTH of you are wrong, if what you have said is correct.

There is a saying, rather cliche as it is, but.. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. And while it's true I sleep with a married woman, it just so happens, that woman is my wife.


As for herpes, please do your research. It affects people differently and FYI herpes can kill.


If you say so... but from what I remember, its a rare complication, kinda like taking antibiotics can kill, but not too damned often...



As to Pat needing to inform his partners about having herpes, go back to your school books and double check on that.


Check... Patients have the right to confidentiallity... You would have to prove that he was aware of his condition prior to your relations. Bear in mind that I am not saying that he is not in the wrong, simply that a reasonable person would assume that in this day and age, STD's are a risk of unprotected sex.

[MAGOOMEDIC]

AMEN-BROTHER...

[mike]

Damn ***** get a ****ing life, and shut the **** up! Go get your script for Valtrex take it, and find another swinging **** to ****. If you want something new go eat a ****. Stay out of Detroit we have enough **** to deal with here.

For the sake of the minors who do get on the site I have enabled the swear filter to filter out whole words.

Wonder if the Detroit news would be interested in seeing the city's hard working EMT’s site?

This isn’t the city's "hard working EMT’s site." It is my site. If you feel the need to advise the media of this site....

Newspaper Sites

Detroit News (http://www.detnews.com/)

Detroit Free Press (http://www.freep.com/)

Macomb Daily (http://www.macombdaily.com/)

Metro Times (http://www.metrotimes.com/)

The Oakland Press (http://www.theoaklandpress.com/)

TV Stations

Click on Detroit (http://www.clickondetroit.com/) (4)

Detroit Public TV (http://www.detroitpublictv.org/)

Fox 2 Detroit (http://www.fox2detroit.com/) (2)

UPN Detroit (http://www.wkbdtv.com/)

WXYZ (http://www.detnow.com/) (7)

Personally I don’t see the difference between this site and the one I referred to in the first post. Freedom of speech sucks when you don’t like the message. I don’t like the message's some have posted but I respect their right to voice their opinion and be heard.

Funny how everyone is sticking up for Pat here, maybe because it's a board for EMT’s and firemen. Totally different responses on other boards.

You might be right on that. I personally think the gentleman has a moral obligation to inform his partners but that is just my opinion. As you can see most of the users of this site have an opinion on it also that may or may not be to your liking or mine.

I've been to Detroit once, and I would never go back.

And why would that be?

[MAGOOMEDIC]

Mike you are the MAN... Tell it like it is.....

-D

[Unregistered]

Ok Guys.................

I Think Ms Miller Just Wants The Village Of Wheeling To Give Her As Much Respect As They Have To The City Employee!! She Wants To Be Heard As A Resident/ Tax Payer That Has A Beef With An Employee.. And They Won't Give Her The Time Of Day

You Guys Are The Best And We All Appreciate Your Hard Work !! Lets Give Ms Miller A Break!!

[Unregistered]

Ok Guys.................

I Think Ms Miller Just Wants The Village Of Wheeling To Give Her As Much Respect As They Have To The City Employee!! She Wants To Be Heard As A Resident/ Tax Payer That Has A Beef With An Employee.. And They Won't Give Her The Time Of Day

You Guys Are The Best And We All Appreciate Your Hard Work !! Lets Give Ms Miller A Break!!

Thank you very, very much for your commnet.

I also want to thank Mike for all his hard work on his site and the way he runs it, he has done a phenomenal job. Running a web site like this is extremly time consuming and Mike must have many sleepless nights. There is always one stupid little code / script that just won't work that keeps you up half the night.

I am done posting here. If anyone has anything to say they can email me at wheelingvillage@aol.com The village elections are coming up and I need to focus on that.

[mike]

I also want to thank Mike for all his hard work on his site and the way he runs it, he has done a phenomenal job. Running a web site like this is extremly time consuming and Mike must have many sleepless nights.

thank you.


I am done posting here.

I hope not, out of everything you would think Fire/EMS would talk about this is by far the biggest thread on this board and I am suprised at the amount of people that have veiwed and responded to it regardless of their though process..

The village elections are coming up and I need to focus on that.


Let us know how its going when you get a chance. for those who want a link to the site again here it is.

http://www.wheelingvillage.com/index.html

[pluto]

I've been to Detroit once, and I would never go back.

I bet your town will never host the Super Bowl. This is a happening place baby!

[Ms. Miller]

I bet your town will never host the Super Bowl. This is a happening place baby!

I think our super bowl shuffle days are long over.

[Ms. Miller]

I hope not, out of everything you would think Fire/EMS would talk about this is by far the biggest thread on this board and I am suprised at the amount of people that have veiwed and responded to it regardless of their though process..

Let us know how its going when you get a chance. for those who want a link to the site again here it is.



Sex, lies and politics will do it everytime. Hows your bandwith going?

It's going good. First day picketing the cops took pictures and they radered the traffic to see if I was slowing it up. Getting the car signs up in an hour, I'll send you a picture.

[mike]

Sex, lies and politics will do it everytime We have a fair amount of that in this city to be sure..

http://www.firejerryo.com/

Should give you your fill concerning the city of detroit and its politics..

Hows your bandwith going?

At 2% used for the whole month so far. Most we have ever gotten to is 4% I think..

First day picketing the cops took pictures and they radered the traffic to see if I was slowing it up.

Slowing traffic equals a ticket think...

I'll send you a picture.

as an unregistered user I dont think you will be able to post a picture. Mainly to prevent spam. If not you can do one of two things, reigister or email the picture to me and I can post it. Good luck

[Patricia]

Sex, lies and politics will do it everytime. Hows your bandwith going?

It's going good. First day picketing the cops took pictures and they radered the traffic to see if I was slowing it up. Getting the car signs up in an hour, I'll send you a picture.

Why would you think running radar was in any way related to you??? It's much more likely he was running radar to catch speeding autos. I don't think they mind if anyone drives too slow.

[anthonyt]

I don't think they mind if anyone drives too slow.

Not sure how it is there, but in Michigan it is considered a Civil Infraction to travel more than 10 mph below posted speed limits, unless inclimate conditions exist preventing the safe operation at posted speeds. You'll get a ticket for Impeding the flow of traffic.

Also, if memory serves, during public demonstrations, in Michigan, it is considered unlawful to cause a slow down of traffic. So it is quite possible that they where in deed using the radAr to monitor traffic speeds, so that if they could find a trend, Ms Miller could then be given a ticket.

[Ms. Miller]

Also, if memory serves, during public demonstrations, in Michigan, it is considered unlawful to cause a slow down of traffic. So it is quite possible that they where in deed using the radAr to monitor traffic speeds, so that if they could find a trend, Ms Miller could then be given a ticket.

That is true here also. This is the email I received from the Wheeling Police Department when I emailed them about it.

"In regard to picketing, it can be done as long as it is not at a residence and picketing is kept to the sidewalk. The picketing can not impede vehicle or foot traffic."

I would like to learn more about unions, if anyone can email me or send me a good link, Or maybe a new subject matter for the board. I can see unions for labor, but for the fire dept / police dept? Is that pretty common for most fire dept's to be unionized? What are pros and cons? I also read an article about the battle whether Lt's should be in the union, since they are in a supervisory position. http://www.lib.niu.edu/ipo/im900611.html

[mike]

http://www.dfdems.com/images/picsforposts/W.jpg

I received this picture today. I bet you get a ton of looks going down the street with the stickers.

[Unregistered]

I don't understand why this board supports ms. miller on here attacks on a person. Yes he was wrong with having a sexual affair with here. But this is a two way street. Being a wheeling resident. Ms. miller is at fault as well. If one would read the local ordinances of the village any employment matter is discussed in private and not in the open public. I think that this is her last straw. She thinks by going public she will get him fired from his job for a sexual affair they had together. If you read her letter on the website where it says in the police report that there isn't enough evidence to support here claim to have him charged. Why is she really doing this. Being a wheeling resident I personally think ms. miller is trying to get vengence against this man because he left her and wants nothing to do with her now. Remember it takes two to tango not just one. so both are at fault. but it only looks like ms. miller dosen't except blame but all the blame should be on this man. Ms. miller needs to go up and be an adult and except the mistake she did and move on and start a new chapter in here life and stop harassing this man and his family, village and especially the wheeling residents

[mike]

I don't understand why this board supports ms. miller on here attacks on a person.

For the record this board is owned and run (with the help of others) by me. I do not support either side, I don’t know either side. I don’t even know where "Wheeling" is. My personal opinions on the matter are just that, my personal opinions.

If any party in the matter wants to respond to it from any side they are free to do so. I didn’t require you to register to post this and yet I posted what you wrote correct?

Ms. miller is at fault as well

I think if you read most of the posts here you will find that there are those who support your argument and those that don't. If anything I think you will find a lot of posts that have attacked Ms. Miller. There are those that support her also.

any employment matter is discussed in private and not in the open public.

I think you will find that this should be the case between the employer and employee, not the public. The public is free to say what they want when they want, etc.

I don't understand why this board supports ms. miller on here attacks on a person

If you notice your post could be considered an attack on "Ms. Miller" and its still here. "Ms. Miller" has at least put her name to every post so you know who it is.

For the record I posted the link to the site because I thought it was an interesting story and one day a ton of people showed up and here we are. For me not to allow people to comment on a post that is like picking up my nintendo (the ancient on BTW) and taking it home because I am not happy the way you are playing the game.



Stay safe
Mike

[dfdmedic498]

But Mike, I WANT to play on the nintendo too damn it!!!! Amen.....there is such a thing as our freedom of speech and I'll exercise mine. Let dead dogs lay and all parties to the verbal melee move on to more civil commentary.

Burger and a beer anyone?

[anthonyt]

Ms. Miller,

To the best of my knowledge, it is extremely common for an FD/PD to be unionized, in fact, I cannot imagine a department without a union, unless its a volunteer department, of course. Cities are political, and without the unions we would all be subject to the current administrations whims and wants. There would be few if any employment protections for us. The city council or the mayor could just decide to get rid of someone just to make room for a cronie. My department would love to pay us minimum wage, and require us to pay all of our medical, if not for the union. So then we would be able to bring home maybe $120.00/week. I don't think I could live on that. My kids would be cold thats for sure.

Unions have a place anywhere they are wanted. most places wouldn't have a union, if the employer was concerned about what was best for the employees and their families. Most employers are concerned about whats in the best interest of the business, thats it.. And usually, this translates into low wages, lack of medical benefits, no retirement, Look at Wal-Mart... Could you imagine spending 30 years working for them? Only to be let go when you are no longer of any use to the 30 year old manager... without the protection of a retirement income.

[dtbax68]

bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla lets take up a collection for some herpes drugs for the ho'

[MAGOOMEDIC]

WOW, this has been alot of time spent on nothing. If you look at all of the posts you will find the whole story, I think everything that can be said has been said......



So lets move on and let the woman fight her loosing battle, seems to me that it will be a long internal battle...


-D

[bigwoody00]

I know Ive prolly made a few dumba@# comments on this thread... but...... who the heck is Ms. Miller? is she the one with the Green Pu*#y?????? Im still confused about who the ho is.....

[bigwoody00]

is this story about someone else in another city?? (i hope)....

[Unregistered]

As a person who has worked with Pat for more than twenty years I don't condone his actions at all. I think Ms. Miller's view of the fire department and firefighters in general really stinks. If having a problem with one person leads you to believe a whole department or anyone in that particular job is like that, you are sadly mistaken,do you represent all single women? Are all single women out having affairs with married men? No, but if I believed you represented all of them, I would believe that. I would be doing the same kind of narrow minded thinking you are doing. This department has a lot of dedicated, honest, hardworking people on it and you are dragging them into your battle. The firefighters don't control what the police do, the fire chief does or what the village board does. They just go out and help those who call needing help and now wonder if those residents are some of the people that have a negative impression of them. This job is difficult enough without worring about that also. I do have a question though. Who is bankrolling Ms. Miller's operation? Signs, stickers and childcare (I hope she doesn't bring her daughter picketing) all cost money. She states she is unemployed so she must be on the tax-payers payroll. Is this more politically motivated than she has stated?

[bigwoody00]

Goddddd!!! what a whore.... can I get her number???lol

[Ms. Miller]

I am now going to be going on the news with this. I have had a major news station wanting to do the story along with a local paper. I'd say there is about a couple days if that for things to change before it's to late.

[bigwoody00]

what are you going to the news about??

[mike]

what are you going to the news about??

Um...did you not go read the stuff on this (http://www.wheelingvillage.com/index.html) site?

[Ms. Miller]

Just to point out a couple things, I have given plenty of warnings about moving forward. Wheeling and Pat should know that by now. I have been doing everything that I said and I am NOT taking a back seat to this. I would rather not have Pat's children find out about this or have them teased in school, but since nothing has been done at this point, I must move forward with the media.

I am also highly considering a lawsuit against Pat for lying about not having sex at the fire station. Maybe just a small suit, the money isn't the issue here. It will be intresting to see what I can do with a ruling that he did have sex at the fire station.

[Unregistered]

Maybe Ms. Miller should be charged with public indecency. Maybe Pat's wife should charge her with trying to break up their marriage. Maybe Pat's family should get signs and stickers about Ms. Miller being an adulterer put on their vehicles and drive up and down her street (and if she had a job, in front of her place of employment). Funny you didn't complain about sex in the firehouse until there was a problem! So if you hadn't gotten an STD, would you still be going to the firehouse on your own to have sex? You need to look long and hard in a mirror and finally accept 50% of the responsibility for what has happened!

[bigwoody00]

Nope.. didnt have time to read all those paragraphs...

[bigwoody00]

Ms. Miller... You Skank!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ms. Miller]

Maybe Ms. Miller should be charged with public indecency. Maybe Pat's wife should charge her with trying to break up their marriage. Maybe Pat's family should get signs and stickers about Ms. Miller being an adulterer put on their vehicles and drive up and down her street
The Village would have to figure out Pat had sex at the station to do that. Thanks for the recommendation, thinking of turning myself in for that, if they charge me they would have to charge him, great idea! Maybe Pat can speak for himself, but then again, can he? Why don't we hear from Pat? Let Pat's wife go ahead and sue me for breaking up their marriage, I'd recommend her doing a class action suit since I wasn't the only person he slept with. Again, thanks for the idea! :biglaff:

[gonzo]

kill this thread already. I can't take anymore of this B S.

[MAGOOMEDIC]

Hell yes, Kill IT so this Psyco chic can B!tch about how she has a broken SNACH any more......

[anthonyt]

And whats to stop her from starting a new thread??

[bloodn'guts]

Let her be...she is going through a bad time in her life...

[MAGOOMEDIC]

Nothing can stop this woman thats the problem, she wants to make everyone around her hurt.......

-D

[bloodn'guts]

is there anything NEW ?

[MAGOOMEDIC]

Well she stopped posting about all of her FUNK..

[Unregistered]

I know revenge when I see it. It reeks of it with her. There is a difference between justice and avengement & will be happy only when she has stripped him of something, his livelyhood.